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Why Undercover Gun Sellers Are Here To Stay?

As has been shown this past week, US authorities don’t mind taking over dark market vendor accounts associated with firearms sales and aggressively perpetuating investigations into the illicit sale of firearms. Invariably, these investigations are likely to spread their tentacles overseas, because even a convicted felon in the states can, in theory, buy a gun on person to person sales site, or at a gun show through a non FFL, person to person sale if they really want to, if they don’t have a local connection who sells them out of the trunk of their car. Don’t mistake my view of the realities of the situation as an anti-gun standpoint – I personally take a more than libertarian view on the issue of firearms ownership, I’m just explaining the commercial realities.

The current investigative action from the U.S. was a proactive one, run by HSI, and technically speaking, firearms being sold in international commerce would be more the BATF’s problem. Its been seen in the past that where things have to be back investigated (ie, a gun is detected overseas at a customs check), the BATF takes the lead – take for example Adam Bunger, also known as “Grass4Cash” and “demonfifa” back on the now defunct BMR marketplace and forums, who was proven to have shipped guns to the UK, Sweden, and, in the shipment which would be his undoing, Australia.

At the end of the day, Bunger will be out of Federal Prison in July of 2016 after a two year sentence, whereas the Australian didn’t even see custody [sidebar – he cooperated, fully, with the police investigation], getting 120 hours community service for the gun import and a $700 fine for possessing ammunition. Not really the return on investment of either investigative shoe leather, or international cooperation and investigation, one would expect from something which ‘seemed’ so big, and was hyped by both the BATF and the Australian Customs authorities.

The interesting gap here is the way in which crossing an international border renders a commodity which is legitimate and plentiful in one jurisdiction illicit and in high demand in another. The gun prices which an almost certainly US based darknet vendor can charge for a firearm are astronomically higher than the prices the price they buy their product for, or for which it could be resold domestically, even in an anti gun jurisdiction such as California or New York. Obviously, they are also charging for their skillset in delivering the firearm safely to another jurisdiction through various customs inspections. So who is doing the buying of these exceedingly high-priced goods?

Sure, there are people who like to collect firearms, regardless of what the laws are like in the relevant jurisdiction, and that’s their choice and risk to take. In the UK, where you’re looking at a mandatory custodial term for possessing a firearm without licensure, its well known that you can just hop on a boat and grab a black powder revolver from France – its known as a ‘tools cruise’, if you believe the mainstream media. But the firearms we see offered in dark markets seldom, if ever, fit the bill of the former description. “CherryFlavor”, a once prolific BMR merchant with a well regarded delivery track record, specialised primarily in Glocks and polymer junk guns like Taurus’ offerings. One of the ‘special orders’ which Adam Bunger took and filled by buying the gun from an FFL, distinct from his usual methods of buying cheap junk person to person, was for a semi auto version of an Uzi pistol. People are buying these guns for either utility or for a fashion statement.

In the end, buyers of guns on the dark web, who want one for a perhaps subjectively legitimate purpose, such as defense of home and hearth, are going to have to part with substantial money for their weapon of choice if they prefer not to make a perfectly serviceable 4 winds shotgun, and invariably, the suggestion is that they are involved with more criminality than just trying to illegally buy a gun is an easy conclusion for investigators to seize upon – one which seems to have been (anecdotally) supported by the Australian end of the HSI investigation, where they seized the princely total of four (count ‘em, four) firearms, but came across two meth labs, meth, meth cooking goodies, and even some steroids as the investigation spread out.

So, what is this HSI investigation all about? Its simple, really. Whilst drugs are, and always will be, semi-mainstream, they are a product which, to borrow from Erich Schlosser, we publicly abhorprivately adore and buy in astonishing amounts. Firearms, in countries where regulation is tight? Not so much, and the assumption is that it will lead to further lines of inquiry both locally and abroad. What exactly does HSI get out of this? This investigation has given potential firearms buyers everywhere pause to stop and consider their next purchase very carefully, because as we all know, on the internet, no-one knows you’re a dog, even if you’re a well regarded seller with excellent feedback.

Actions like this, even if they don’t lead to large scale arrests, help keep markets disrupted. It lets them trumpet their successful investigative prowess, for very little actual effort. Its given them intelligence to feed into the machine at the U.S. end, and it has helped its overseas colleagues who in turn have gotten to trumpet their own investigative prowess by serving them warrants and paths into criminal groups on a platter – back slapping all round, for close to no effort on the part of anyone. UC firearms investigations are here to stay because it brings criminals, large and small, onto the police radar and puts a gigantic target on their head, for basically no time or effort down. A cop’s wet dream, if they could keep doing it forever.

8 comments

  1. mister bickles

    there are hundreds of “illegal” guns entering Australia every month….mostly via container…only a very small % of which are checked..(over one million containers per year…less than 1% properly ‘checked’)

    so…these .gov.au fools got …..what?….four or five lousy guns?

    big deal!

    that is….if the whole thing ain’t a hoax to start with!

    why do i say that?

    because the guns in the pic (a l/a and s/a rifle…clbrs 30/30 and “22lr” respectively) would be:
    i/the most unlikely guns imaginable for any-one “ordering” from the US
    (it would almost certainly be hand-guns, cut-down shotguns like a “Serbu super-shorty” or a mini AK-47/CAR15 type set up)
    ii/guns like those shown would, almost certainly, have “flashed up” via the Customs X-ray any-way….so….there would be no need for “an international investigation”…the cops would’v just waited for the addressee to collect afore-said items…

    • I imagine the four publicly accessible pictures are the four firearms seized in AU (that poly piping hints at long term storage, and none of them look brand new).

      Only organized criminals have the capacity to load contraband into shipping containers, whether the container load itself is mere cover, or whether they’re using a legitimate logistics operation’s movement of a container as a mule. You don’t rock up at a cargo company in the states and say ‘pardon me, kind sir, but might I weld this package into a hollow cavity in an Australia-bound seatainer?’

      What the Dark Net markets are doing is giving anyone the capacity to engage in illicit importation without access to traditional criminal networks.

      And I hear a lot of what gets into Australia comes in via private couriers – I’ll leave it at that.

      • mister bickles

        what you say is correct, of course!
        but,i think, that what is happening is that there may well be a “set up” where guns are imported via container/seatainer and then distributed locally via the DW….
        expecting to get guns into Australia through the mails (esp. par avion) is wishful thinking in the extreme…
        the heaviest surveillance in Australia is on Airports and packages coming in via same….you might be able to get a small handful of pills through but some-thing as bulky and obvious as a gun is a total no brainer…..

      • JohnyDeppsDog

        Yeah Yeah just like Johny Depps dogs got through security here in Aust, Just shows how much of the drug/gun imports are from private aircraft. Its the same thing as he couldve flown in a pallet load of coke if thats how lax the border security at private aircraft arrivals is. The easiest area to get is the one the muppet controls. Its pretty easy to find muppets in Australia.

        • mister bickles

          “private aircraft” have a v limited range;
          most also have limited cargo-carrying capacity;
          its highly unlikely that one could fly from, say, the west coast of the US to the east coast of Australia;
          of course, it would be much easier to fly one from, say, Indonesia to Australia or, even, Malaysia to Australia but there are no reliable supplies of fire-arms in those two countries;
          i re-emphasise what i previously stated: the most likely route for “illegal” guns entering Australia is via container/seatainer;

  2. The concept of someone in AU acting as a local remailer for firearms procured on the darkweb is unlikely in the extreme. One cannot dilute a Glock as one can with drugs, and the importer is the party taking all the risk – that party is already likely to be paying a very high premium for their overseas ‘party or parties unknown’ to get it through the ACBPS’s mechanisms unscathed.

    Where does the local connection make his profit appropriate to the risk taken in importation? The end purchaser would be paying an astronomical sum for goods which are not sent on a regular basis, assuming someone is actually prepared to pay the remailer’s no doubt exorbitant fee.

    Most criminals in Australia can access a firearm of some kind (not saying a quality firearm, but a sawed off shotgun or a cut down, bolt action .22lr) if they’re prepared to pay for it. The premium on name brands which are typically centrefire, pistol specific ammo (further complicating matters in terms of acquisition) is, I am reliably informed, very substantial.

    Finally, I’m not going to elaborate on any knowledge I may or may not have of firearms entering Australia via the mail stream or courier. What I will say is that your assumption that such a method importation is ‘wishful thinking’ is likely to be very, very erroneous.

    • mister bickles

      the concept of someone in AU acting as a local remailer for firearms procured on the darkweb is unlikely in the extreme. One cannot dilute a Glock as one can with drugs, and the importer is the party taking all the risk – that party is already likely to be paying a very high premium for their overseas ‘party or parties unknown’ to get it through the ACBPS’s mechanisms unscathed

      have to disagree with that;
      its not that hard to organise importation of materials via “seatainer”;
      all you need is some-one in the US with the money to rent the seatainer using a bogus front company or similar…..or, even, some-one who already works for some company using same…
      “ACBPS” focusses almost exclusively on air-ports and parcels coming in via air mail;
      they haven’t got the man-power or resources to go rooting through hundreds of thousands of containers….that would need a small army of customs agents….well into the six figure bracket….and…..the ‘trend’ of .gov.au is to cut back/down-size on public servants or “out-source” to sub-contractors…
      HELL!
      they even have Pakistani subbies guarding military facilities like Holesworthy which was previously done by MPs!

      Most criminals in Australia can access a firearm of some kind (not saying a quality firearm, but a sawed off shotgun or a cut down, bolt action .22lr) if they’re prepared to pay for it. The premium on name brands which are typically centrefire, pistol specific ammo (further complicating matters in terms of acquisition) is, I am reliably informed, very substantial

      its true that 12g and “22clbr” ammo is the easiest to get but there are also thousands of crims and hoons running around with the l8st and gr8st hi-tech s/a pistols like Glocks;

      so…where are they getting them from?
      if they’re over 9mm cal, (say 40 or 45acp), then, they can only be sourced from overseas because even licensed pistol shooters can’t legally possess s/a pistols or revolvers greater than 9mm/38spcl calibre….

      Finally, I’m not going to elaborate on any knowledge I may or may not have of firearms entering Australia via the mail stream or courier. What I will say is that your assumption that such a method importation is ‘wishful thinking’ is likely to be very, very erroneous.

      you don’t have to “elaborate”;
      its patently and obviously ludicrous if not absurd….
      sure….you might manage to get the odd one or two guns in through the mail….but…to expect a regular stream of them is ridiculous…even if you sent them in pieces, there are components that, quite simply, can’t be “broken down” any further like, for instance the barrel, receiver and butt/frame….and….they’d show up on an X-ray like a brass monkey’s balls!
      HELL!
      a 10-yr old kid could spot them as gun parts!

      what i think yr really not getting, though, is what is actually behind this attack by .gov.au on the DW!
      SSAA research department estimates up to 10 MILLION
      unaccounted for, unregistered guns in Australia…[email protected] least ½ of which could well be MSSAs (mil’ style semi-autos) that were not handed in to comply with Howard’s bogus gun laws…

      as such…..the DW provides an ideal “market-place” for a good number of those guns to be “flogged off” by owners…many of whom may well now be too old to bother with them….after all…the incident that “triggered” the great Aussie Gun Grab of 1996/1997 (the bogus “Port Arthur massacre”) occurred nearly 20-odd yrs ago and a good many of the former owners are, possibly, now in their 60s and 70s…..

      its a hell of a lot easier to send an “illegal” gun from, say, Geelong to Ballarat or Sydney to Wollongong or from Brisbane to Surfer’s Paradise than from LA to Sydney….wouldn’t you say, eh?!?

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